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Hello,
Today, I found a website that rippes tutorials. http://www.lombergar.com , this person goes around tutorial sites and takes the tutorials that he likes, puts them into movie file and then takes credit for them. He ripped 2 of my tutorials, and one tutorial from one of the menbers of TutorialForums forum.
http://www.lombergar.com/v3/page.php?id=15 is a rip of
http://www.noxcel.com/tutorials/metal.htm
99.9% rip //he changed some minor things.
http://www.lombergar.com/v3/page.php?id=13 is ripped from
http://www.noxcel.com/tutorials/texture.htm [created by Fusion_racer]
100% rip, just look at the result
http://www.lombergar.com/v3/page.php?id=16 ripped from
http://www.noxcel.com/tutorials/sketch.htm
75% rip, he changed the picture, wow :)
I emailed this dude, asking to give me credit or take the tutorials down, here are some of the quotes from his email:
Domen Lombergar - "I am replying to your pms sent to me today accusing me of ripping your tutorials. How exactly can you prove you are the author of those? Or are you maybe ripping me and now trying to get me to remove mine? I mean wtf. I for one took some of the techniques out of experimentation, books and actions."
"out of experimentation" - as you will see below, his "experimentation" have the same values as in my tutorials. and about me ripping him, lol, I think these tuts are more than a year old, and his are what, 2 weeks old? :)
Domen Lombergar - "And what exactly do the metal tuts have in common? That they use layer styles? I see two different effect in the end. Or was "me ripping you" referring to the point that you came up with how to make metal text? Hello?"
Here I did some photoshoping to answer his question:
http://www.newtutorials.com/ripper.jpg
As you can see, everything is the same, steps, final result, the only thing
that he changed is some values[like I have 51, he puts 50 :)]
Anyway, I think that all of his tutorials are ripped and if I will find the true authors of other tutorials, I will email them. I will not take any legal
actions againts him because of some tuts, but I will make sure that everyone will know that Domen Lombergar is a lame ripper.
Thank you for your time.
p.s. from his website: "All of the following tutorials were created and are copyrighted by Lombergar.com - reproduction, changing or distibution without the consent of the author is strictly prohibited ... and is really not a nice thing to do." what a loser.
p.s.2 I took some screenshots of the ripped tutorials, so that he can't change them and tell that I was wrong.
Darkape
04.12.04, 01:06 PM
i don't think that are all rips.
on the web there are 100 of semilar tutorials.
but when it is realy a tut made by yourself, contact him and say it.
tom
Originally posted by Darkape
i don't think that are all rips.
on the web there are 100 of semilar tutorials.
but when it is realy a tut made by yourself, contact him and say it.
tom
yea, maybe not all of them are ripps, but I am talking about the tuts that I did. They ARE ripped. The reason I am posting this is because I emailed him and got a rude reply.
thanks
SoulScream
04.12.04, 01:21 PM
Looks like a direct rip to me. And if I'm correct I heard he ripped some of those earlyer videotutorials from somewhere too.
Oh brother. Funny that you didn't include my whole mail ... so I'll do that instead.
Let's start off with me getting some pms that you are the "owner" of the tuts i made and that you demand deletion. So I wrote you a mail:
Greetings, Oleg.
I am replying to your pms sent to me today accusing me of ripping your tutorials. How exactly can you prove you are the author of those? Or are you maybe ripping me and now trying to get me to remove mine? I mean wtf. I for one took some of the techniques out of experimentation, books and actions. It's especially funny that you are accusing me of ripping simple techniques that:
- are seen on hundreds of sites (several webmasters told me that they found the idea from *my* tuts)
- were published in books (that were probably not written by you)
- were published as actions and layer styles in millions of variations
Two authors that really did create their tutorials and came up with some cool effects are properly credited.
And what exactly do the metal tuts have in common? That they use layer styles? I see two different effect in the end. Or was "me ripping you" referring to the point that you came up with how to make metal text? Hello?
I personally don't really care much if people take the ideas from my tutorials. Stumbled trough your site before ... saw the similar tutorials but never sent you an outraged mail. I actually sent you an email asking if you were interested in link exchanging (but never got any reply from you). Oh well...
Now if you were mentioning a rude reply from me, may I remind you of your reply:
Hello,
ahaha, ok buddy. I am the wrong person to rip from. I am kinda busy right now with the exams and all, but when I will find some free time I will come after you. I do not think that I will take any legal actions because of the ripped tutorials, but I will make sure that when people think about you and your site, they think about a lame ripper. I emailed and asked for some credit or removal of tutorials, but you want to make it ugly. The small thing that you will learn after this is that rippers never win.
One more qustion, does your host speak english?
Oh yea, I just saved your ripped tuts to my site, so no need to try and change them. lol
In the mail you are clearly threatening me, telling me that you saved the tutorials and put them on your site without any permission from me.
I fail to see where in your mail you show me that *you* are the author of the so-called-ripped tutorials or that you ask me that you want credit (you demanded immediate removal). Please do you mind sharing this with me and the rest of the people here?
If not who the hell gives *you* the right to accuse *me* of ripping the tutorials on noxcell and not vise versa? Huh?
With regards,
Domen Lombergar
Lombergar.com
Well, I kinda have the right to be rude, because YOU ripped my tutorials. About prving that tutorials are mine, you can read my first post of this topic.
thanks
Domen Lombergar, are you saying that you did not rip the tutorials? Comon, they are ripped step by step, value by value, color by color. I am asking you to remove MY tutorials and about others, you will get email from their true authors.
p.s. "In the mail you are clearly threatening me, telling me that you saved the tutorials and put them on your site without any permission from me." - I was going to say harddrive, not website.
I fail to see where the hell you prove that *you* are the author of the tutorials. Where? I fail to see it. Just because you started this thread an saying that I RIPPED YOU (and not vice versa) doesn't now automaticly make you the author. Is a simple proof too hard to come up with, huh?
Other than that you could just be somebody that ripped me and now trying to get my site a bad word. Is proving so difficult?
As I said in the email (for all those who want to know we are having an email discussion also) I am waiting for some solid proof. If there isn't any your words here are without meaning and your actions would be pretty low.
Oh one other thing. I am the one running a non-profit site and do not have like a zillion ads on it like google and mediaclick. Ppl that read this might find it interesting to know...
digitalmind
04.12.04, 02:20 PM
First off, let's see if we can get a timestamp.
Noxcel, see if you can find the tutorials on your harddisk, rightclick, properties, and see wich date you have for last change. Lombi, do so aswell. That should be able to rule out one option of Noxcel ripping Lombi.
I can see Lombi's point, Noxcel, there really is hard proof needed to prove that you are the author of those tutorials, otherwise it's just his words against yours, wich will eventually lead nowhere. (No, I'm not taking any sides here)
Originally posted by lombi
I fail to see where the hell you prove that *you* are the author of the tutorials. Where? I fail to see it. Just because you started this thread an saying that I RIPPED YOU (and not vice versa) doesn't now automaticly make you the author. Is a simple proof too hard to come up with, huh?
Other than that you could just be somebody that ripped me and now trying to get my site a bad word. Is proving so difficult?
As I said in the email (for all those who want to know we are having an email discussion also) I am waiting for some solid proof. If there isn't any your words here are without meaning and your actions would be pretty low.
Oh one other thing. I am the one running a non-profit site and do not have like a zillion ads on it like google and mediaclick. Ppl that read this might find it interesting to know...
Just because my site actually gets some visitors, and I run ads to support it, it gives you the right to rip my tutorials? About the proving that I wrote the tuts is not hard. See the screenshot that I made and it will prove that the tuts are the same. How old is your site? My tuts that you ripped are more than a year old, everyone knows that I wrote them because back then, when I was just starting out, I was starting a new topic everytime I wrote a new tut. I do not know if you can check the creation date in a psd file, but if you can, my date will be a lot earlier than yours. Thats all the proof that I need, i need to go now, will reply to your reply when I get back...
digitalmind
04.12.04, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by noxcel
About the proving that I wrote the tuts is not hard. See the screenshot that I made and it will prove that the tuts are the same. How old is your site? My tuts that you ripped are more than a year old, everyone knows that I wrote them because back then, when I was just starting out
That screenshot doesn't prove who ripped who. And "everyone knows" also isn't hard evidence. Try to get the timestamp, with a screenshot. You get that, you can atleast prove that yours we're created before his.
I'm not defending Lombi here, just trying to get this thing solved :)
Originally posted by noxcel
Just because my site actually gets some visitors, and I run ads to support it, it gives you the right to rip my tutorials? About the proving that I wrote the tuts is not hard. See the screenshot that I made and it will prove that the tuts are the same. How old is your site? My tuts that you ripped are more than a year old, everyone knows that I wrote them because back then, when I was just starting out, I was starting a new topic everytime I wrote a new tut. I do not know if you can check the creation date in a psd file, but if you can, my date will be a lot earlier than yours. Thats all the proof that I need, i need to go now, will reply to your reply when I get back...
Well I'm not running a 1-hit site either you know. imho putting ads on personal sites is highly unprofessional. But that's just my 2 cents, oppinions differ from person to person.
Funny thing though ... i'm currently running my personal portfolio at a daily visit of a minimum 1k unique (2056 today, record at 3240 unique on march 7th) and got a number of mails that i should check out your site (amongst others) because you have similar shit, but I didn't report you, cause I don't really give a damn what you do. Post doggie porn and casino ads for all i care.
You can check the creation date of psd files, but you can very easily fake it so that's really not proof of anything. It may proove something to you (why on earth you?) but you were asked to prove your accusations.
And once again ... if you can't prove me and the people that are reading this, than what you did (accusing me of ripping) is truly low.
Originally posted by digitalmind
First off, let's see if we can get a timestamp.
Noxcel, see if you can find the tutorials on your harddisk, rightclick, properties, and see wich date you have for last change. Lombi, do so aswell. That should be able to rule out one option of Noxcel ripping Lombi.
I can see Lombi's point, Noxcel, there really is hard proof needed to prove that you are the author of those tutorials, otherwise it's just his words against yours, wich will eventually lead nowhere. (No, I'm not taking any sides here)
I will look at the file when I get home, but here is some proof for now.
http://www.good-tutorials.com/author/noxcel.com
April 03, 2003 - Metal Text Tutorial - noxcel.com
- I posted this tut at good-tutorials more than a year ago, and it was on my site long before that.
from his site, "Tutorials ~ 10: Metal Text
Created by Lombi on 23.12." - no year, but I am sure that it is not 2002 LOL.
I do not think that I need to prove anything more.......
and I also will try to find the file, but I do not know if I have it on this PC, will need to look in my old one.
Any legal actions I can take against him for ripping tutorials?
thanks
lombi, I remember a post a while ago about you having a tutorial very similar to a tutorial made by one of our users - Monk, am I right?
I remember your claims that is was not a rip. The discussion was very long and was decided to be denied due to lack of evidence.
billynomates
04.12.04, 06:47 PM
Hi,
This is an interesting problem in terms of legality and ownership...
i am an indutrial designer so have a fair bit of experience with patents, copyrights etc...
the way it works is that once your work is in the public domain unprotected be it images or desings, whatever...you FORFIT the possibility of later claiming ownership of that article...
hence unless you put a copyright on your original tutorial images when they went on the web, lombi is entitled to duplicate them. the moral side of it apart, it is not illegal for him to do so....
also since you are using software with finite variations, it would be simple to argue that lombi simply used the same combination of settings to produce the exact same effect...
my advice to you would be to in future put a copyrigth symbol and the year on every image in your tutorial files, because as it stands i dont think you have any proof what was done when...
i can 99.9% say no court would accept the date given in the property section of a file as evidence, but a simple copyright symbol goes a long way...
im afraid intellectual property on the web is incredibly difficult to protect! EVERYONE should copyright their sites, even taking a copyrighted image and modifying it slightly as lombi would have been doing is ILLEGAL...
i hope this helps a bit
Billy
Originally posted by billynomates
Hi,
This is an interesting problem in terms of legality and ownership...
i am an indutrial designer so have a fair bit of experience with patents, copyrights etc...
the way it works is that once your work is in the public domain unprotected be it images or desings, whatever...you FORFIT the possibility of later claiming ownership of that article...
hence unless you put a copyright on your original tutorial images when they went on the web, lombi is entitled to duplicate them. the moral side of it apart, it is not illegal for him to do so....
also since you are using software with finite variations, it would be simple to argue that lombi simply used the same combination of settings to produce the exact same effect...
my advice to you would be to in future put a copyrigth symbol and the year on every image in your tutorial files, because as it stands i dont think you have any proof what was done when...
i can 99.9% say no court would accept the date given in the property section of a file as evidence, but a simple copyright symbol goes a long way...
im afraid intellectual property on the web is incredibly difficult to protect! EVERYONE should copyright their sites, even taking a copyrighted image and modifying it slightly as lombi would have been doing is ILLEGAL...
i hope this helps a bit
Billy
Billy, I have copyright thing at the buttom of the tutorials, I never thought that you should put copyright on every image, are you sure about that? I always thought that when you create something, it is already copyrighted.
Anyway, it looks like it is not the first time Domen Lombergar ripped tutorials and probably other stuff. Who knows, maybe hes website is also a rip. I do not have time to take any legal actions against him, but I have access to many well know websites in graphics community so I will make sure that everyone knows that Domen Lombergar likes to rip other peoples work.
Thanks to everyone who replied. Domen Lombergar, as I said in my email, I am the wrong person to rip from...
lombis tutorials are published by a magazine that I saw today.
it said "create professional artwork by 30 min video tuts by lobregar.com"...something like that...this is actually extremely serious.
:huh:
are you aware of that anyone?...I think it was called webmaster magazine. I'll buy it tomorrow. its late here now....
Originally posted by Boozer
lombis tutorials are published by a magazine that I saw today.
it said "create professional artwork by 30 min video tuts by lobregar.com"...something like that...this is actually extremely serious.
:huh:
are you aware of that anyone?...I think it was called webmaster magazine. I'll buy it tomorrow. its late here now....
ooo, I hope none of my tutorials are published. If you will buy the magazine please post more info, I hope this magazine has a website. Then I could contact the editor or something.
thanks
it says 30 mins of tutorials man...I think all are in there :)
plagiarism and/or idea theft is a very serious issue when things get printed or published...comercially.
now both sides beware...cause this may get nasty and I wont be in the debate...I'll get the mag tomorrow and will inform you all thats it.
it is not an underground mag...so get the dates, ideas words lawyers whatever you want...
I personally will stay neutral in this case but will post the mag info tomorrow when I get back home which will be late.
http://www.deviantart.com/view/4590395/ VIDEO - Metal Text
A deviation by *lombergar, Jan 7, 2004, so I think it is when he "made" it.
The original tutorial was made long before that:
Some Proof:
1] I posted a topic about it: http://tutorialforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41560
It was on 07:52 AM 04-02-2003
2] http://www.good-tutorials.com/author/noxcel.com
April 03, 2003 - Metal Text Tutorial - noxcel.com
That is all I am going to say. I can't find the file right now [because it is on the other comp], but I think what I posted above is more than enough. I want to see him try to provide better proof.
yeah Lombi...now that you areviewing this thread...what d you have to say...
I hate what is happening here...:throwup:
thats why I am neutral :S
the greed the bla bla...I hate people like you two :weird:
Well I asked noxcell if he could somehow show me that he is the first one that made these tutorials. I know there were a million websites before mine and I am pretty sure some of the effects are very to completely similar. Like the fire effect for which someone pointed me to the person that first came up with the technique. Monk is now credited as well.
I am now aware that he created his before mine but I am also aware of some pretty much nicer tutorials for eg. metal text that were created way before 2003. And for that I am waiting for in the entire thread. I just want proof that he was the first to made these tutorials and nothing else.
As for the mag is concerned ... I recieved a mail from the editor and gave him my consent to publish them, yet I haven't recieved any money for that .... not even a print of the mag, lol. Could somebody like show it to me so I can see what the mag is like?
So again - please show me that you were the first to create these tutorials and I will be more than happy to properly credit you or remove them if you so like.
dont worry I'll show you what the mag is like...I mean I rpobably will post the address...
Well, the best thing I've read in this topic is the reply of billynomates. He's completely right. Congrats.
says Bart Simpson
congrats :huh:
billynomates
04.13.04, 06:44 AM
noxcel,
you must copyright every image individually for them to be protected.
as far as what boozer is saying about this getting serious, i really cant see how the law can provide an answer to a problem like this...
a colleague did a folding chopping board for the uk and us market and had it ripped off in china by some manufacturer...they even used his hand drawn images of how the product works on their packaging...i mean what a rip!! However since he didnt patent it in asia, he could do nothing... since it was manufactured in china they could even export it legally to uk and us because the patent only covers manufacturing, not distribution...
his instruction images is a perfect case of how not originally copyrighting your images leaves you without a leg to stand on!!
with no disrespect, being a junior member of these forums, but i believe that boozer is wrong to indicate that some kind of action could be taken...simply becasue noxel wont be able to claim the tutorial as his own...like i said the only thing a lawyer will ask you for is the copyright and without it you are screwed...
we can all learn lessons here, so everyone take note...
Billy
by the way, im only an MA design student at the Royal College of Art, London but as you can imagine the college takes intellectual property issues very seriously so most of my knowledge comes from seminars that London IP lawyers give us on how to protect our work!!
so hopefully what im saying here is up to date information and correct, just in case ne1 was wondering if i was full of crap! ha ha
Billy
ah I never suggested any court but I still think this is serious.
I'll go get the mag to post the info thats it.
Originally posted by Boozer
says Bart Simpson
congrats :huh:
Sorry, I didn't want to appear rude...
what I wish to say is that there's no need of this ping-pong chat between Noxcel and Lomby but copyright laws protect the original creator of the pieces.
They have just to show us who is the real one... but till now I don't see the end of the tunnel.
Btw my name is Case (and not Bart) and if someone is disturbed by my avatar I will be glad to change it :)
SoulScream
04.13.04, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by lombi
Monk is now credited as well.
hahaha... Do you even understand what you are writing?
So it will be just a few days until you credit Noxcel too eh? Pathetic.
Here I found the original file, was on my old PC:
1] http://newtutorials.com/date.jpg - the creation date of the file, the tutorial was created on the same date or a day after.
2] I posted a topic about it: http://tutorialforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41560
It was on 07:52 AM 04-02-2003
3] http://www.good-tutorials.com/author/noxcel.com
April 03, 2003 - Metal Text Tutorial - noxcel.com
off topic: billynomates and Case, if you say that you need to put copyright on every image, then explain something to me. Lets say someone rips graphic-forum.com header and uses it on its website, what should the author do? I do not see any copyright signs on the header.
thanks
billynomates
04.13.04, 11:03 AM
i would say that doing that would not be illegal...just not very nice
look at my portfolio, every image that is important to me is copyrighted and to be safe i printed it out and got my dad to date and cross sign every one (hes a lawyer, but not in ip) and he said that was ok...
www.starritt.co.uk
i will email this guy i know who works for digit london he will know..
Billy
check out this link to a photographers website...
she has only put a copyright symbol on the top of her site so maybe that is enough because her images are unprotected in my book....we need somone who really know their stuff
www.joplumridge.co.uk
i know copyrights dont apply in conditions of 'fair use' (a legal term)
fair use is : criticism, commentary, news reporting, teaching, reasearch and scholarship
could you not argue that because your tutorials are for teaching, they dont apply to copyright??
i dont know just a thought......damn where are ip lawyers when we need them...im getting worried about my images now
http://www.utsystem.edu/ogc/intellectualproperty/imagguid.htm
Originally posted by billynomates
i would say that doing that would not be illegal...just not very nice
look at my portfolio, every image that is important to me is copyrighted and to be safe i printed it out and got my dad to date and cross sign every one (hes a lawyer, but not in ip) and he said that was ok...
www.starritt.co.uk
i will email this guy i know who works for digit london he will know..
Billy
check out this link to a photographers website...
she has only put a copyright symbol on the top of her site so maybe that is enough because her images are unprotected in my book....we need somone who really know their stuff
www.joplumridge.co.uk
yea, but the way you say it, we can rip any website we want, because none of the images have copyrights.
I read somewhere that when you create something, it is copyrighted by you from the moment you created it. THe copyright sign is not important because it is copyrighted already, as long as you can prove it later.
+ I have the copyright statement at the buttom of every page.
thanks
p.s. some of my websites are officialy copyrighted, like I have them on a CD and I went and copyrighted them, too bad the tutorials are not on that CD, I never thought that there are lame people like Lombi that rip tutorials.
billynomates
04.13.04, 11:16 AM
got this form the uk patent office website..
What about marking my work and enforcing copyright when I put it on a web site?
Generally, when you put your work on a web site, it is probably a good idea to mark EACH PAGE of the web site with the international © mark followed by the name of the copyright owner and year of publication. In addition, you could include information on your web site about the extent to which you are content for others to use your copyright material without permission. Although material on a web site is protected by copyright in the same way as material in other media, you should bear in mind that web sites are accessible from all over the world and, if material on your web site is used without your permission, you would generally need to take action for copyright infringement where this use occurs.
looks like it is automatically generated for images themselves...
Originally posted by billynomates
got this form the uk patent office website..
What about marking my work and enforcing copyright when I put it on a web site?
Generally, when you put your work on a web site, it is probably a good idea to mark EACH PAGE of the web site with the international © mark followed by the name of the copyright owner and year of publication. In addition, you could include information on your web site about the extent to which you are content for others to use your copyright material without permission. Although material on a web site is protected by copyright in the same way as material in other media, you should bear in mind that web sites are accessible from all over the world and, if material on your web site is used without your permission, you would generally need to take action for copyright infringement where this use occurs.
looks like it is automatically generated for images themselves...
yea, thanks for posting that.
but the sad, sad fact is that he knew what he was doing, it is not like he ripped the tutorials because he thought they were "free to rip" or something. +it looks like, it is not the first time he is ripping tutorials...
look what he has on his website, "All of the following tutorials were created and are copyrighted by Lombergar.com - reproduction, changing or distibution without the consent of the author is strictly prohibited ... and is really not a nice thing to do."
comon, how lame can you get?
I also, know what he is trying to say. He is saying that there are 100000 of metal text tutorials out there and that I did not invent the technique, but comon, he ripped the tutorials STEP by STEP, value by value. Yes, I did not create layer styles, but I created the tutorial[S] and he ripped it.
I hate to repeat myself, but:
And I am still fully prepared to either credit you for the tutorials (nickname + link to site) or take them down if you show me that you were the first one to come up with tutorials that teach those three techniques (that you made metal text with blending modes, that you came up with the pretty well known techniques such as that sketch effect one and the texture one). And an apology from me of course.
For instance, I've been googling around:
Metal text
http://www.webdesignhelper.co.uk/photoshop_tutorials/photoshop_tutorials/photoshop_tutorial47/photoshop_tutorial47.shtml
http://www.dwphotoshop.com/photoshop/MetalNamePlate.php
http://www.dwphotoshop.com/photoshop/brush_metal_text.php
http://www.dezignspot.net/tutorials/rusted.html
http://www.photoshop-stuff.com/Photoshop-Tutorials/MetallicTutorial/MetallicTutorial.html
http://www.photoshop-stuff.com/Photoshop-Tutorials/Gradients/Gradients1.html
http://www.proeffect.com/tutorials/tutorials.php?id=ps53
http://www.proeffect.com/tutorials/tutorials.php?id=ps18
http://home.c2i.net/indset/grafikk/tutorials/chrometxt.htm
...
Sketch Effect
http://www.graphic-design.com/Photoshop/Tips/sketch.html (Photoshop 4!)
http://desktoppub.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa120601a.htm
http://www.heathrowe.com/tuts/sketch.asp
http://www.pacificsites.com/~dglaser/art/PhotoShopTips/PSTipsDaleSum04E.html
...
Texture
http://www.absolutecross.com/tutorials/photoshop/textures/nebula/
http://www.stevethepro.ukf.net/photoshop/minitutorials.htm
http://www.nebulus.org/tutorials/2d/photoshop/ps10/
http://www.webclass.ru/eng/Tutorials/Photoshop/Rock_texture.html
...
:huh:
Originally posted by lombi
I hate to repeat myself, but:
For instance, I've been googling around:
Metal text
http://www.webdesignhelper.co.uk/photoshop_tutorials/photoshop_tutorials/photoshop_tutorial47/photoshop_tutorial47.shtml
http://www.dwphotoshop.com/photoshop/MetalNamePlate.php
http://www.dwphotoshop.com/photoshop/brush_metal_text.php
http://www.dezignspot.net/tutorials/rusted.html
http://www.photoshop-stuff.com/Photoshop-Tutorials/MetallicTutorial/MetallicTutorial.html
http://www.photoshop-stuff.com/Photoshop-Tutorials/Gradients/Gradients1.html
http://www.proeffect.com/tutorials/tutorials.php?id=ps53
http://www.proeffect.com/tutorials/tutorials.php?id=ps18
http://home.c2i.net/indset/grafikk/tutorials/chrometxt.htm
...
Sketch Effect
http://www.graphic-design.com/Photoshop/Tips/sketch.html (Photoshop 4!)
http://desktoppub.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa120601a.htm
http://www.heathrowe.com/tuts/sketch.asp
http://www.pacificsites.com/~dglaser/art/PhotoShopTips/PSTipsDaleSum04E.html
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Texture
http://www.absolutecross.com/tutorials/photoshop/textures/nebula/
http://www.stevethepro.ukf.net/photoshop/minitutorials.htm
http://www.nebulus.org/tutorials/2d/photoshop/ps10/
http://www.webclass.ru/eng/Tutorials/Photoshop/Rock_texture.html
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:huh:
sorry, does not work, you lame, lame person. I think you should re-read my post above.
What is this ... a pissing contest? All I asked was for you to show me that you are the original author of the tutorials and you managed to insult me in every post.
I think I have clearly exposed by simple 10-minute googling that you are not the original author of one of the three effects (sketch). I am still calmly waiting for you to show me otherwise for the other two.
And again - a file property is the last thing that could be served as "evidence", because I can have a file ready that was created inbetween the second world war, that was last modified between the spanish revolution and was opened on the 9th of september.
Originally posted by lombi
I think I have clearly exposed by simple 10-minute googling that you are not the original author of one of the three effects (sketch). I am still calmly waiting for you to show me otherwise for the other two[/B]
i would like to see it too :)
Originally posted by Shizo
i would like to see it too :)
see what?
lombi, I do not see how posting links to tutorials that at the end do not look anything like mine, proves that I am not the author of my tutorials.
edit: I proved that I am the author of metal text, deal this it and then we can move on to other tutorials.
billynomates
04.13.04, 12:14 PM
lombi,
those tutorials look nothing like what noxel did....it actually weakens your argument
renapunx
04.13.04, 12:14 PM
I only have two word to say:
"THE MATRIX"
get it??? Or I need to draw it to you???
Originally posted by renapunx
I only have two word to say:
"THE MATRIX"
get it??? Or I need to draw it to you???
yea, feel free to draw it.
thanks
Originally posted by noxcel
lombi, I do not see how posting links to tutorials that at the end do not look anything like mine, proves that I am not the author of my tutorials.
Well did you just forfeit your own arguments? You were accusing me of using the same technique, and the sketch effect that was done in Photoshop 4 (if metal text was done in april 2003 then your sketch effect is even newer). So same technique done way before yours. Think about what you are accusing me. He that is without sin may cast the first stone. And you're packing a freakin' Gatling here.
But if you are completely contended with how yours looks different in the end and that it differs from the tutorials to which I pointed you then what the hell are you accusing me of?
Originally posted by lombi
Well did you just forfeit your own arguments? You were accusing me of using the same technique, and the sketch effect that was done in Photoshop 4 (if metal text was done in april 2003 then your sketch effect is even newer). So same technique done way before yours. Think about what you are accusing me. He that is without sin may cast the first stone. And you're packing a freakin' Gatling here.
But if you are completely contended with how yours looks different in the end and that it differs from the tutorials to which I pointed you then what the hell are you accusing me of?
I proved that I am the author of metal text, deal with it and then we can move on to other tutorials.
I proved that I am the author of metal text, deal with it and then we can move on to other tutorials.
I proved that I am the author of metal text, deal with it and then we can move on to other tutorials.
maybe posting it 3 times, will make you read it MR.RIPPER
when I say they do not look like mine, I mean, they look nothing like mine, they create today different effect. LOL
renapunx
04.13.04, 12:30 PM
What is "The Matrix"..
It's a movie with a story... A story I've seen so many times before... Filmed like 90% of the John Woo or any other chinesse action movies...
The W. bros. didn't created a NEW storyline nor they created an amazing NEW way to film their storyline... But they did write a new film anyway...
What I'm trying to say is this:
It does not matter that the end of your tutorial it is the same of a million other tutorial... As long as you take your time to write it again, with some improvments, and so... Yes, there are zillions of Metal Text tutorials... But a lot of them are very different from each other... They get different results...
The lame thing is when you get another person's tutorial, don't make any improvment, and post it as your own work...
I'm not taking sides... I had not see any of the tutorials yet... But I think Lombis excuse that "there are million tutorials like that one" is stupid... If your excuse is "my tutorial has a different result" is other thing, but saying that there are zillion of tutorials like that.... no no no
It's like stealing the briefcase of one of your co-workers, and then going to work with his briefcase hoping he does not notice that....
Originally posted by renapunx
What is "The Matrix"..
It's a movie with a story... A story I've seen so many times before... Filmed like 90% of the John Woo or any other chinesse action movies...
The W. bros. didn't created a NEW storyline nor they created an amazing NEW way to film their storyline... But they did write a new film anyway...
What I'm trying to say is this:
It does not matter that the end of your tutorial it is the same of a million other tutorial... As long as you take your time to write it again, with some improvments, and so... Yes, there are zillions of Metal Text tutorials... But a lot of them are very different from each other... They get different results...
The lame thing is when you get another person's tutorial, don't make any improvment, and post it as your own work...
I'm not taking sides... I had not see any of the tutorials yet... But I think Lombis excuse that "there are million tutorials like that one" is stupid... If your excuse is "my tutorial has a different result" is other thing, but saying that there are zillion of tutorials like that.... no no no
It's like stealing the briefcase of one of your co-workers, and then going to work with his briefcase hoping he does not notice that....
as you can see here, http://newtutorials.com/ripper.jpg 2 tutorials are the same, the results are the same, the steps are the same, the values are the same. If you have the time to read this entire topic, you will see that I wrote this tut more than a year ago and his tutorial is new, therefore he ripped it. The same goes for other tutorials on his site. That is all I am going to say.
thanks
I will go prepare for my exam now...
renapunx
04.13.04, 08:22 PM
Hahaha.. I've just watched the tutorials.. hahahaha... Lombi.. my friend... you can't be serious... I found tutorial rips of at least 3 diferent sites...
Ok, I can understand that photoshop is a software with limited tools, and MAYBE 2 persons far from each other can be able to reach the exact same effect, with the exact same parameters, with the exact same result... It happend with the telephone invention..
But I can not even imagine only one person being able to get the same thing as a lot of ppl out there... I can imagine though that you can be a very talented artist and all those ppl ripped from you... Yeah... that's a possibility... But you blew that possibility when you:
a) Ripped Monk...
b) Tryed to deny you ripped Monk
c) Ended up acepting the rip, and credited Monk for his work...
Hey.. man... be serious... you ripped PhotoshopTechniques.com... You ripped TheWebMachine.com...
The sad thing is that most of times, rippers are talented ppl... but very very lazy to go with they'r own techniques... sad sad sad...:killer:
billynomates
04.14.04, 06:41 AM
what? he accepted ripping monk and then credited him?!!
joker.. lombi, with a history like that it doesnt seem you have a leg to stand on...
and even if you arent in the wrong, i guess people like me are just gonna go on previous history...
he took my metal text tutorial down, and I will email the writer of texture tutorial to see if he wants it down too.
digitalmind
04.14.04, 01:18 PM
Before anything is said about copyrights, please read through
www.whatiscopyright.org
That should clear up some things.
I think tutorials should be shared, unless they copied everything the same....
renapunx
04.14.04, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by Segeta
I think tutorials should be shared, unless they copied everything the same....
They are copied everything the same
SoulScream
04.14.04, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by noxcel
he took my metal text tutorial down, and I will email the writer of texture tutorial to see if he wants it down too.
I'm glad this is all solved. Closing this thread.
just posting to say I'm sorry I couldnt get the mag...tuesday I barely had time to catch the train and today the magazine wasnt there..I looked everywhere in the same store but nope...
sorry about that :(
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